I've seen this a few times. I knew a tight family and their daughter was df. There other daughter was married shortly later, and the df sister was allowed to attend the wedding at the KH. However, she was not allowed to the gathering.
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Anybody have any experience with this?
by stillin inan elderly sister passed away recently.
family came to her memorial service from all over the country.
some of them, including grown-up, disfellowshipped children of hers, also came.
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What are you gonna do when the existence of god is disproved?
by Doltologist inin 1897, j.j. thomson discovered the electron.
this was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible.
today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the higgs boson, the so-called god particle.. back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being.
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What are you going to do when the existence of god is disproved?
If such a thing was possible, I would be sadden but my life would continue as before. I've accepted life with out a God for all my adult life. I've never rejected the possibility, and have hoped for a loving creator.
Now to address what others have in this thread, the possibility of such a day coming in our life time. I've completed multiple college level science courses as they were needed for pre-requisite for nursing school. I'm now taking more advance science courses (Organic/Inorganic Chemistry, Cell biology ect...) for my future goal of pursuing a more advance medical degree. The increased knowledge I have received has not swayed me away from the belief of a possibility of a God. First, one must define what God is. Perhaps God could be simply viewed as a very advance alien life form.
I think the advance of science will only confirm the complexity argument by Creationist and other theists. I believe Dawkins wrote a reasonable argument to counter the complexity argument. I've watched several of his debates, and in one of them he stated "of course it makes sense that complex life comes from simple beginnings." Perhaps not an exact quote, but what I recall.
Creationists may argue that there really isn't such a thing as a simple beginning. The basic unit of life of all life is the "simple" cell. This basic unit of life is extraordinarily complex and entire college courses are devoted to its study. Even Prokaryotic cells are very complex, and there are bacteria that are able to communicate with each other, and this communication is considered more sophisticated than any communication systems man has made (Miller, 2001). Even the atoms that all matter is made up of is very complex. The sub atomic particles are perhaps more complex than the atom itself. Sub atomic particles behaving as a wave and particle and inhabiting different points in space simultaneously. None of this proves an existence of God, nor is it attempt on my part to support a belief in a God. I only making the argument that the possibility of more science may only confirm in many minds that life is too complex to happen without a designer.
Miller, M.B. & Bassler, B.L. (2001). Quorum Sensing in Bacteria. Annual Review of Microbiology 55: 165-199.
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My Parents Lost Forever?
by Hold Me-Thrill Me inmy father served in the second world war.
he served in the south pacific.
he loved his time in the military and my mother was more than supporting.
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James:
A man's daughter (7-8 years old) ask him, "where was I before I was born?When he told her she wasn't anywhere she was horrified. Same fear people have about death. So I figure I wasn't anywhere before I was born so I will be no where when I die.
I remember this nice quote from Mark Twain:
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
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My Parents Lost Forever?
by Hold Me-Thrill Me inmy father served in the second world war.
he served in the south pacific.
he loved his time in the military and my mother was more than supporting.
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Unless there is some immortal soul, then probably so. My heart wishes what many want to be true, but my mind is too logical and rejects an after life.
Spending my entire childhood of a promise paradise and resurrection, has made it difficult to accept eternal death. The thought of never existing again after death is hard for most. You can take solace in the fact that nobody on this board knows the truth for sure. I don't fault those who hold onto a belief system that helps them enjoy life.
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Help with understanding
by Doltologist inplease take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
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I have not seen that program, but am interested in viewing it. I was required to write a research paper on ancient writers for one of my humanities courses at college. Your topic brings up a little of my memory on what I wrote. This research project I worked on was in the 90's, and my memory is failing me. Perhaps you or someone on this thread could help me recall a particular word I'm struggling to remember.
When someone copies a text and changes or adds to it to support a particular belief (Christianity), there is a specific word for this action. I can't recall it and now it is like a little gnat in my head. The word was used often when discussing the copying and translation of Josephus' works.
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by Doltologist inplease take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
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Suggest that you take the time to research the area yourself, rather than me point you in a given direction.
The statement "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" was the obscured statement I was referencing in my original response. It is agreed by a majority of scholars that this statement is authentic. My reference: Louis Feldman American Professor of classic literature .
Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert E. Van Voorst pg 88
Josephus: The Essential Works by Flavius Josephus and Paul L. Maier 1995 pg 285
I personally don't know if Jesus exist, nor does anyone alive. However, your question was related to why people believe in him. I answered because of fear of death, and since there are some references to him by Josephus.
This thread wasn't originally an argument for the support or denial of the existent of Jesus, nor do I make an attempt at such a statement. I'm only stating why people believe in him, and now that not all believe the references in Josephus are not authentic as stated by you.
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by Doltologist inplease take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
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he Josephus references were written in AD 93/94. One, even christian scholars agree, was tampered with by early christians though to what extent isn't know although the core document was still thought to be intact.
Could you give me a reference to those of scholarly repute that believe the text that referenced Jesus was tampered with? Also what text exactly is being disputed as a forgery?
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Josephus’ mention of Jesus had long ago been dismissed by textual scholars in the past as a forged insert into his text... but Christians now, in their desperate need to find Jesus as a real person, have resurrected the matter again in an attempt to make Jesus real.
Who are the textual scholars you are referencing and what specific insert is the claimed forgery?
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by Doltologist inplease take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
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Given how obvious it is to me that jesus/god don't exist, how come so many people think they do?
Fear of death is a motivating factor in the belief of a God. Since neither the existence nor nonexistence of God can be proven, it leaves the way for many to believe. One could make an argument for a historical Jesus. I've only know of Flavius Josephus that made mention of Jesus around that time period (outside the writings of Jesus disciples). Josephus' reference was a vague reference too.
However, keep in mind that Socrates never wrote anything and all our knowledge comes from his students Plato and Xenophon. Similarly Jesus supposedly never wrote anything and all his teachings came from his students. Who was the real Socrates or real Jesus? Who knows, they've both been dead for thousands of year.
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Intelligent design my ass
by Doltologist inso man was made by god in his image was he?.
so the human body was intelligently designed was it?.
you are kidding me !!.
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I heard these similar points from a speech given by Neil Degrasse Tyson. -
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The Governing Body-Faded apostates?
by John Aquila inive been here less than a year, but ive notice that the majority of us have faded for various reasons.
we also read the stories of those who got disfellowshipped or disassociated themselves.
in the majority of the cases, their parents will not talk to the children for years and the children will not talk to the parents even if they are dying.
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It is quite possible that a good portion of the GB know the entire religion is BS. They know the TATT better than anyone. So not quite sure what you are getting at. Are we to feel some empathy because they may very well be non-believers? They or even one of them could make some attempts in meaningful reform. However, they still push no education, no blood, shunning, and horrible treatment of children that have been molested.
ust like us, bidding their time and enjoying what they have at the moment, until either they die or until the jig is up and it’s all gone.
Isn’t that what we are doing?
No, not at all. I left but my situation is different. Those that stay in faded are not responsible for the horrible policies that are enforced and written. These are men that make the rules, and are not simple "bidding their time." They are active in spreading lies and damaging the lives of countless ones.